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The "openness" of the interface, fix?
Date:Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:14:16 +0100
One of the things I don't like about GIMP, sorry to say, is the openness of the interface. Many years ago I used and discarded UltimatePaint because of that. I've tried GIMP several times over the last 5 years and have tried the recommendations to work around that didn't work. Is there any way to get a solid interface in GIMP? This is a silly thing to some, but I'm always completely unnerved by seeing the background of the desktop or other windows. I like apps that have a closed "background" behind it. Can this be fixed in GIMP, permanently, somehow? Or is there a version of GIMP that doesn't consist of a bunch of boxes all over the screen with gaping holes in between? Thanks. :oD
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Re: The "openness" of the interface, fix?
Date:Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:31:43 +0100
RodMcKay wrote: > One of the things I don't like about GIMP, sorry to say, is the > openness of the interface. Many years ago I used and discarded > UltimatePaint because of that. I've tried GIMP several times over the > last 5 years and have tried the recommendations to work around that > didn't work. > > Is there any way to get a solid interface in GIMP? This is a silly > thing to some, but I'm always completely unnerved by seeing the > background of the desktop or other windows. I like apps that have a > closed "background" behind it. Can this be fixed in GIMP, > permanently, somehow? Or is there a version of GIMP that doesn't > consist of a bunch of boxes all over the screen with gaping holes in > between? > > Thanks. :oD Oh Lordy, that's GIMP's best feature: put your windows where you want them, not where some programmer put them. You can dock things, you know. John. -- Using the Laptop at home.
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Re: The "openness" of the interface, fix?
Date:Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:38:15 +0100
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:31:43 -0500, "John K. Herreshoff" <nope@not.here> wrote: >RodMcKay wrote: > >> One of the things I don't like about GIMP, sorry to say, is the >> openness of the interface. Many years ago I used and discarded >> UltimatePaint because of that. I've tried GIMP several times over the >> last 5 years and have tried the recommendations to work around that >> didn't work. >> >> Is there any way to get a solid interface in GIMP? This is a silly >> thing to some, but I'm always completely unnerved by seeing the >> background of the desktop or other windows. I like apps that have a >> closed "background" behind it. Can this be fixed in GIMP, >> permanently, somehow? Or is there a version of GIMP that doesn't >> consist of a bunch of boxes all over the screen with gaping holes in >> between? >> >> Thanks. :oD > >Oh Lordy, that's GIMP's best feature: put your windows where you want them, >not where some programmer put them. You can dock things, you know. > >John. Well, you know that one's man's garbage is another's treasure, this works for you. It doesn't work for me. Yeah, tried the docking approach, if memory serves. They undocked at one point, I think the trouble was. Well, will try the latest version nonetheless. Maybe in intervening year, things have changed in this regard.
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Re: The "openness" of the interface, fix?
Date:Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:25:30 +0100
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:31:43 -0500, "John K. Herreshoff" <nope@not.here> wrote: >RodMcKay wrote: > >> One of the things I don't like about GIMP, sorry to say, is the >> openness of the interface. Many years ago I used and discarded >> UltimatePaint because of that. I've tried GIMP several times over the >> last 5 years and have tried the recommendations to work around that >> didn't work. >> >> Is there any way to get a solid interface in GIMP? This is a silly >> thing to some, but I'm always completely unnerved by seeing the >> background of the desktop or other windows. I like apps that have a >> closed "background" behind it. Can this be fixed in GIMP, >> permanently, somehow? Or is there a version of GIMP that doesn't >> consist of a bunch of boxes all over the screen with gaping holes in >> between? >> >> Thanks. :oD > >Oh Lordy, that's GIMP's best feature: put your windows where you want them, >not where some programmer put them. You can dock things, you know. > >John. Okay, new version better in that the background, once maximized, covers the screen. No interference/distraction now from underlying windows. The version I tried before didn't work so nicely in this regard. Good. But I have the problem, still, that I had before while I now can describe the problem better, how do you dock the $%#@#$ toolbox window or any utility window? That's extremely annoying because it keeps getting left behind or when you move back to the screen you have to click on it, etc. .... I want to dock it to the background and stop if floating around all over the place. I found out how the docking works, very cumbersome (why can't we just dock from each title bar, I'd like to know, you have to hunt for the special docking area). And then it only docks to other windows, too, and not to the interface, either. I think that if I could dock the way I need, to each component and then to the background, I'd be happy with the interface. I'm moving over to Linux and can't really take my Paint Shop Pro with me since I'd like to do a complete switch but I really need to get the interface down. Yeah, I know, I'm a fussy user. But once everything is positioned okay, I then stop being distracted by hunting around for things and docking to a customized interface really is a help for me with imaging programs. Thanks. :oD
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Re: The "openness" of the interface, fix?
Date:Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:44:44 +0100
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:25:30 -0500, RodMcKay <NoJunkMail@No.com> wrote: >On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:31:43 -0500, "John K. Herreshoff" ><nope@not.here> wrote: > >>RodMcKay wrote: >> >>> One of the things I don't like about GIMP, sorry to say, is the >>> openness of the interface. Many years ago I used and discarded >>> UltimatePaint because of that. I've tried GIMP several times over the >>> last 5 years and have tried the recommendations to work around that >>> didn't work. >>> >>> Is there any way to get a solid interface in GIMP? This is a silly >>> thing to some, but I'm always completely unnerved by seeing the >>> background of the desktop or other windows. I like apps that have a >>> closed "background" behind it. Can this be fixed in GIMP, >>> permanently, somehow? Or is there a version of GIMP that doesn't >>> consist of a bunch of boxes all over the screen with gaping holes in >>> between? >>> >>> Thanks. :oD >> >>Oh Lordy, that's GIMP's best feature: put your windows where you want them, >>not where some programmer put them. You can dock things, you know. >> >>John. > >Okay, new version better in that the background, once maximized, >covers the screen. No interference/distraction now from underlying >windows. The version I tried before didn't work so nicely in this >regard. Good. Tried out the video from start to finish (36 minutes), very informative, though it made me go hunt for a portable GIMP since stupid Window$ puts the gimprc preferences folder outside the install one which made things frustrating for a bit till I realized that's why I couldn't find the file described in the vid (vid is Linux version, too, so that's why no help there on where Window$ put it <g>). But once I found that and then found a new release of Portable GIMP, everything squared away re backing up settings. It'll be neat to start up a Linux LiveCD and duplicate everything there that I did over in the Window$ version <g>. >But I have the problem, still, that I had before while I now can >describe the problem better, how do you dock the $%#@#$ toolbox window >or any utility window? That's extremely annoying because it keeps >getting left behind or when you move back to the screen you have to >click on it, etc. .... I want to dock it to the background and stop >if floating around all over the place. I found out how the docking >works, very cumbersome (why can't we just dock from each title bar, >I'd like to know, you have to hunt for the special docking area). And >then it only docks to other windows, too, and not to the interface, >either. Yup, though I docked everything that I needed that was dockable, still can't do that to the utility windows which really, really sucks. That main toolbox window might now have everything docked to it but it always lags behind since you have to click on it to bring it back to the main interface when you make GIMP the active application again. That behaviour has always driven me nuts <g>. We already have so much mouse clicking when you're working on your box, now there's also an extra one to bring your toolbox on board each and every time (Linux version seemed to have same weakness, too)! Unless there's a solution to this so that you can dock utility windows to the maximized back interface this is a serious shortsightedness on the behalf of the developers no matter how great the rest of the app may be. Does anyone know if there is a way to make the entire interface one cohesive unit? Any plans for it? The new snapping-to-window envisioned for the next release isn't the same thing at all unless it also permanently docks things. That snap feature usually just makes components "magnetic" so that when you place them side-by-side they stick together better. But watch out if you move a component, as they "unstick" <g>. Anyone know if there's a way to dock utility windows which currently as things are seems to be not a feature of GIMP? Maybe there's a back way of doing it, like further editing of the gimprc preferences file or other? [snip] Thanks everyone.
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Re: The "openness" of the interface, fix?
Date:Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:23:29 +0100
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:44:44 -0500, RodMcKay wrote: <big snip> >> >>Okay, new version better in that the background, once maximized, covers >>the screen. No interference/distraction now from underlying windows. >>The version I tried before didn't work so nicely in this regard. Good. > <snip> >>But I have the problem, still, that I had before while I now can >>describe the problem better, how do you dock the $%#@#$ toolbox window >>or any utility window? That's extremely annoying because it keeps >>getting left behind or when you move back to the screen you have to >>click on it, etc. .... I want to dock it to the background and stop if >>floating around all over the place. I found out how the docking works, >>very cumbersome (why can't we just dock from each title bar, I'd like to >>know, you have to hunt for the special docking area). And then it only >>docks to other windows, too, and not to the interface, either. You seem to have everything under control When it comes to the docks I consolidate most of what I use on a regular basis. I 'think' you have it figured out now but here is are some screen shots of the system I use. http://www.imageno.com/g7bs8wlu5j5vpic.html great thing about gimp is there are usually many ways to do anything. > > Yup, though I docked everything that I needed that was dockable, still > can't do that to the utility windows which really, really sucks. That > main toolbox window might now have everything docked to it but it always > lags behind since you have to click on it to bring it back to the main > interface when you make GIMP the active application again. That > behaviour has always driven me nuts <g>. We already have so much mouse > clicking when you're working on your box, now there's also an extra one > to bring your toolbox on board each and every time (Linux version seemed > to have same weakness, too)! > For windows there are utilities to 'fix' a window on top. One of these is deskpins (last screen shot on above.) http://users.forthnet.gr/pat/efotinis/programs/deskpins.html You do not say which version of linux you are trying but I moved to Mepis a couple of years ago and have never regretted the move. In some ways linux is easier than windows. Right click on a window title bar, select advanced and set that window 'above' or 'below' or 'no border' 'fix the size' ...any number of settings. Find the 'wallpaper' distracting, make a workspace and set the desktop to a neutral colour. Mepis can change between workspaces with the mouse scroll wheel so its 'instantaneous' > Unless there's a solution to this so that you can dock utility windows > to the maximized back interface this is a serious shortsightedness on > the behalf of the developers no matter how great the rest of the app may > be. > One thing to look at regardless of OS is the Edit -> Preferences -> Tool Options and further down 'Window Management' You can set to 'Save-On-Exit' or there is a 'Save-Now' button. The windows management has a save windows positions tick box. Its one way to keep your Gimp configured the way you want it. Might go part way to answer this next query. > Does anyone know if there is a way to make the entire interface one > cohesive unit? Any plans for it? The new snapping-to-window envisioned > for the next release isn't the same thing at all unless it also > permanently docks things. That snap feature usually just makes > components "magnetic" so that when you place them side-by-side they > stick together better. But watch out if you move a component, as they > "unstick" <g>. > > Anyone know if there's a way to dock utility windows which currently as > things are seems to be not a feature of GIMP? Maybe there's a back way > of doing it, like further editing of the gimprc preferences file or > other? > > [snip] best of luck -- rich
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Re: The "openness" of the interface, fix?
Date:Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:52:53 +0100
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:23:29 GMT, rich <rich@nohome.com> wrote: >On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:44:44 -0500, RodMcKay wrote: ><big snip> >>> >>>Okay, new version better in that the background, once maximized, covers >>>the screen. No interference/distraction now from underlying windows. >>>The version I tried before didn't work so nicely in this regard. Good. >> ><snip> > >>>But I have the problem, still, that I had before while I now can >>>describe the problem better, how do you dock the $%#@#$ toolbox window >>>or any utility window? That's extremely annoying because it keeps >>>getting left behind or when you move back to the screen you have to >>>click on it, etc. .... I want to dock it to the background and stop if >>>floating around all over the place. I found out how the docking works, >>>very cumbersome (why can't we just dock from each title bar, I'd like to >>>know, you have to hunt for the special docking area). And then it only >>>docks to other windows, too, and not to the interface, either. > >You seem to have everything under control > >When it comes to the docks I consolidate most of what I use on a regular >basis. I 'think' you have it figured out now but here is are some screen >shots of the system I use. >http://www.imageno.com/g7bs8wlu5j5vpic.html Yeah, I did that following the video quite diligently. Trouble is that utility windows cannot be docked to the interface itself (i.e., like you can dock PSP and even PS, if memory serves. I'm a PSP user but remember trialing PS and sure that all windows can be docked to the interface so they're not floating around free. >great thing about gimp is there are usually many ways to do anything. Not this, though. [snip] >For windows there are utilities to 'fix' a window on top. One of these is >deskpins (last screen shot on above.) > >http://users.forthnet.gr/pat/efotinis/programs/deskpins.html [snip] >You do not say which version of linux you are trying but I moved to Mepis >a couple of years ago and have never regretted the move. >In some ways linux is easier than windows. Immediate paragraphs below talk about my Window$-to-Linux experience as it stands now. On the brink of switching over completely. (Skip ahead if you wish, might be boring to many <g>): Though extremely frustrating, I've been working with several different LiveCDs. I'm looking for the one with the most Windows-like look and feel because I've got family and friends with corrupt computers that I'm going to switch over to Linux. I've tried many distros but Fedora 11 currently is the one that seems to do the most via GUI, which is what a non-power-user Window$ user will need. I've found and dl Fedora 12, so will try that out tonight. _I_ even prefer Fedora. The one that I liked even better is Linux XP since it does some things easily without all the scripting which most of the time don't work (guessing that different distros require tweaking of scripts and I'm not there yet in knowledge to do. Bottom line - only one script has worked out of all the ones I've tried ... <sigh>). Also, I gave up predominantly commandline-run OS when DOS switched to Win3x and then went to Win9x to WinXP! After all that I'm definitely ready for Linux even though it took me 2 years to get here after trying out Knoppix and Ubuntu back then! It's just that Linux has "improved" enough to give this to family. However, looking for the one that has replaced the most scripting with GUIs (i.e., Fedora 11 gives me option to mount partitions easily through an addition to the "taskbar"-like part of the desktop interface so that type of thing swayed me. That was one of the scripts I couldn't get to work in the console or terminal!!!) Next step is an experiment I'm going to try hopefully this weekend - I'm planning on buy a large 500gig external drive (they're relatively cheap now at a local store) and transferring _all_ my Window$ stuff onto it then razing everything on this box to the ground and installing Linux. I have a Win98SE disk (which apparently has fdisk which is way we recover partitions that Windows can work with) and I'll then remove Linux and reinstall Window$ and see how that operation works. If that works, I'll then reverse the process and do the final switch to Linux for myself. See, I can't offer to give the family a Linux alternative unless I can undo the process and easily put back what they're used to. If it doesn't work out, I'll at least get to clean up, say, my sisters computer and put in the processes that I use to keep my computer as clean as possible (lot of work cause of course, that's how stupid Window$ is!!!) I've worked extensively last weekend and in every spare moment since last Friday on Linux LiveCDs and am ready for this step. I became irrevocably fed up with Window$ with WinXP. It was the final straw. I'm tired of an OS dictating to me. I'm not the one giving the commands, XP ignores me and does what it wants (can't keep even something simple as list view properly in WE, not like Win98SE! And changing drive letters after reinstall to keep all partitions always named the same?? Ha! WinXP eventually reverts back to what it wants!! And that's just the simple stuff never mind how stupid it is in general!!) After that, if all this works out, I can get my sister back up and running. Her box ground to a halt a month ago and she's with an inoperative system because she likes to do all those surveys and stuff for a few pennies. I mentioned to her _once_ that this was a dangerous practice esp. since I don't think she was properly protected with av and firewall-wise. But I've learned to keep my mouth shut and not to step in anymore. Tired of getting the blame for when they do things wrong because I make a great scapegoat. Linux strikes me as very sane. It _shouldn't_ take an engineer to run an OS. Granted, Linux superficially does the exact same thing with its geekiness and complexity in running things (come on, compiling the app after downloading it?? That's going to take getting used to. No easy way to just dl and EXE and running it <lol>. But the benefits still outweigh the drawbacks in how Linux operates. And, yes, risking flames from Linux users, Linux is _not_ for a computer newbie at all. Window$ gained what they did because anyone can work easily right from the get-go. Despite the hardcore Linux users not liking this, Linux needs to get more GUI-based, but not to do what MS did and get rid of the commandline! I have never felt as safe as when I was on Win98SE where practically anything stupid happening in Window$ could be fixed by rebooting into DOS! <g> So, anyway, my sister is so desperate that she's finally saying OK to one of my proposals, this time to use Linux <g>. It'll be a relief to know that the problems she had in Windows won't occur and hopefully I'll have a Linux that behaves enough like Window$ for her to feel comfortable with. That's the state of where I'm at ... Thanks. This partially pseudo-rant has helped. It's just the growing pains. Unlike 2 years ago, I've gotten further ahead and am more determined than ever. I've also decided to live with GIMPs behaviour for now. If I reach that point I usu. do when an app just drives me too crazy, well, I'll rethink it. There are other open source image editors out there, if necessary. >Right click on a window title bar, select advanced and set that window >'above' or 'below' or 'no border' 'fix the size' ...any number of >settings. > >Find the 'wallpaper' distracting, make a workspace and set the desktop to >a neutral colour. Mepis can change between workspaces with the mouse >scroll wheel so its 'instantaneous' Already do. I can tolerate the business of wallpaper once in a while only and then for only a short period of time. It's seeing the interfaces of other apps and windows underneath that's so distracting. Fortunately, unlike the version I tried a year or two ago, the maximized state is remembered between sessions so that's alright now. >> Unless there's a solution to this so that you can dock utility windows >> to the maximized back interface this is a serious shortsightedness on >> the behalf of the developers no matter how great the rest of the app may >> be. >> >One thing to look at regardless of OS is the Edit -> Preferences -> Tool >Options and further down 'Window Management' >You can set to 'Save-On-Exit' or there is a 'Save-Now' button. The >windows management has a save windows positions tick box. Its one way to >keep your Gimp configured the way you want it. Might go part way to >answer this next query. As per the video, you can do the same natively in GIMP but that doesn't solve the problem at all. The goal is to have the GIMP interface as one cohesive unit. When I click back to GIMP after being in another folder (making it the active window), I then have to do the same to the toolbox. So to work in GIMP, it's a two click process. That gets old with how I work, I'll often have multiple folders open with various components I'm working on so go back and forth from PSP. Not going to be happy with this inefficiency in GIMP. The always-on-top option, which as you mention is already in GIMP - all that would do would make the toolbox _always_ on top, even of every other single window, GIMP or not. Don't know about other power users, but I can have many folders open at once and that'd mean I'd be pushing the toolbox aside all the time. Sorry, but I've had that happen with apps before and it gets old very, very fast. [snip] > >best of luck Thanks very much. Much appreciated. GIMP is open source so there's obviously much hope for the future. Next step is to figure out how to ask for this as a feature. The video outlined all my concerns except this one with regards to customizing the interface toolboxes. It's a long one, 36 minutes long, but was well worth the dl and the watching. :oD
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Re: was - The "openness" of the interface, fix?
Date:Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:52:45 +0100
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:52:53 -0500, RodMcKay wrote: > On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:23:29 GMT, rich <rich@nohome.com> wrote: > >>On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:44:44 -0500, RodMcKay wrote: <big snip> >>>> >>>>Okay, new version better in that the background, once maximized, >>>>covers the screen. No interference/distraction now from underlying >>>>windows. The version I tried before didn't work so nicely in this >>>>regard. Good. >>> <big snip> > Yeah, I did that following the video quite diligently. Trouble is that > utility windows cannot be docked to the interface itself (i.e., like you > can dock PSP and even PS, if memory serves. I'm a PSP user but remember > trialing PS and sure that all windows can be docked to the interface so > they're not floating around free. > >>great thing about gimp is there are usually many ways to do anything. > > Not this, though. > <another big snip> I was a big fan of PSP when it was Jasc and pre-bloat. Version 7 runs nicely in linux using wine, always liked the (was it) "print-view" to print multiple images but easily worked around with Gimp and other apps. > > Thanks. This partially pseudo-rant has helped. It's just the growing > pains. Unlike 2 years ago, I've gotten further ahead and am more > determined than ever. > Regarding trying out versions of linux, as with everything it is in the eye of the beholder but Mepis 8; KDE and based on debian is really good at finding hardware and easy to install, worth a spin. As with any debian distro the 'stable' packages are old. Looking at synaptic package manager, Gimp is 2.4.7 but the Mepis community Repo version is up to date with 2.6.7 Another distro that impressed me was Mint, Gnome desktop, based on ubuntu but seems to be more cutting edge. The only thing that concerns me re: Mepis, is when gimp updates to 2.8.x it will probably need KDE '4.something', which will mean a complete reinstall. No way to win -- rich
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Re: was - The "openness" of the interface, fix?
Date:Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:23:45 +0100
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:52:45 GMT, rich <rich@nohome.com> wrote: >On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:52:53 -0500, RodMcKay wrote: > >> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:23:29 GMT, rich <rich@nohome.com> wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:44:44 -0500, RodMcKay wrote: <big snip> >>>>> >>>>>Okay, new version better in that the background, once maximized, >>>>>covers the screen. No interference/distraction now from underlying >>>>>windows. The version I tried before didn't work so nicely in this >>>>>regard. Good. >>>> ><big snip> > >> Yeah, I did that following the video quite diligently. Trouble is that >> utility windows cannot be docked to the interface itself (i.e., like you >> can dock PSP and even PS, if memory serves. I'm a PSP user but remember >> trialing PS and sure that all windows can be docked to the interface so >> they're not floating around free. >> >>>great thing about gimp is there are usually many ways to do anything. >> >> Not this, though. >> ><another big snip> > >I was a big fan of PSP when it was Jasc and pre-bloat. Version 7 runs >nicely in linux using wine, always liked the (was it) "print-view" to >print multiple images but easily worked around with Gimp and other apps. > >> >> Thanks. This partially pseudo-rant has helped. It's just the growing >> pains. Unlike 2 years ago, I've gotten further ahead and am more >> determined than ever. >> > >Regarding trying out versions of linux, as with everything it is in the >eye of the beholder but Mepis 8; KDE and based on debian is really good >at finding hardware and easy to install, worth a spin. As with any debian >distro the 'stable' packages are old. Looking at synaptic package >manager, Gimp is 2.4.7 but the Mepis community Repo version is up to date >with 2.6.7 >Another distro that impressed me was Mint, Gnome desktop, based on ubuntu >but seems to be more cutting edge. >The only thing that concerns me re: Mepis, is when gimp updates to 2.8.x >it will probably need KDE '4.something', which will mean a complete >reinstall. No way to win I haven't tried these. Since LiveCDs are so easy to get and burn in Windows, I'll try these ones out, too, so that I don't leave any stone unturned. Thanks. :oD
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Re: The "openness" of the interface, fix?
Date:Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:07:14 +0100
RodMcKay <NoJunkMail@No.com> writes: > On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:25:30 -0500, RodMcKay <NoJunkMail@No.com> > wrote: <big snip> > > Tried out the video from start to finish (36 minutes), very > informative, though it made me go hunt for a portable GIMP since > stupid Window$ puts the gimprc preferences folder outside the install > one which made things frustrating for a bit till I realized that's why > I couldn't find the file described in the vid (vid is Linux version, > too, so that's why no help there on where Window$ put it <g>). > What video??? <another snip> > > Does anyone know if there is a way to make the entire interface one > cohesive unit? Any plans for it? The new snapping-to-window > envisioned for the next release isn't the same thing at all unless it > also permanently docks things. That snap feature usually just makes > components "magnetic" so that when you place them side-by-side they > stick together better. But watch out if you move a component, as they > "unstick" <g>. > Are you familiar with the 3D drawing tool called Blender? If so what do you think about its user interface? /Martin
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Re: The "openness" of the interface, fix?
Date:Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:00:17 +0100
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:07:14 +0100, martin.schoon@gmail.com (Martin Schöön) wrote: >RodMcKay <NoJunkMail@No.com> writes: > >> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:25:30 -0500, RodMcKay <NoJunkMail@No.com> >> wrote: ><big snip> >> >> Tried out the video from start to finish (36 minutes), very >> informative, though it made me go hunt for a portable GIMP since >> stupid Window$ puts the gimprc preferences folder outside the install >> one which made things frustrating for a bit till I realized that's why >> I couldn't find the file described in the vid (vid is Linux version, >> too, so that's why no help there on where Window$ put it <g>). >> >What video??? > ><another snip> >> >> Does anyone know if there is a way to make the entire interface one >> cohesive unit? Any plans for it? The new snapping-to-window >> envisioned for the next release isn't the same thing at all unless it >> also permanently docks things. That snap feature usually just makes >> components "magnetic" so that when you place them side-by-side they >> stick together better. But watch out if you move a component, as they >> "unstick" <g>. >> >Are you familiar with the 3D drawing tool called Blender? If so what do >you think about its user interface? > >/Martin Hi, in Rich's response in this thread, there's a really good video over at this URL (watch word wrap): <http://meetthegimp.org/episode-066-setting-up-gimp-26-and-looking-into- the-future/> I actually just dl it and watched it a couple of times, modifying my GIMP at the same time. Though it's done on a Linux box, most of the instructions worked for Window$ exactly except for the gimprc file. I ended up dl portable GIMP so that the settings files wouldn't be dropped all over the hdd <g>. That worked well. I have all tools docked to the toolbox utility window with the only remaining problem, as everyone knows ad infinitum, ad nauseum, by now, can't dock it to the interface itself. Good luck.
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Re: The "openness" of the interface, fix?
Date:Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:18:16 +0100
on Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:14:16 -0500, RodMcKay wrote: > Is there any way to get a solid interface in GIMP? Not yet, but it's planned for 2.8. -- begin .sig < Jernej SimonÄiÄ ><>â—Š<>< jernej|s-ng at eternallybored.org > end
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Re: The "openness" of the interface, fix?
Date:Tue, 17 Nov 2009 05:02:49 +0100
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:18:16 +0100, Jernej Simon?i? <jernej@deepthought.ena.invalid> wrote: >on Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:14:16 -0500, RodMcKay wrote: > >> Is there any way to get a solid interface in GIMP? > >Not yet, but it's planned for 2.8. Excellent.
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Re: The "openness" of the interface, fix?
Date:Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:46:52 +0100
* RodMcKay wrote : > One of the things I don't like about GIMP, sorry to say, is the > openness of the interface. Many years ago I used and discarded > UltimatePaint because of that. I've tried GIMP several times over the > last 5 years and have tried the recommendations to work around that > didn't work. > > Is there any way to get a solid interface in GIMP? This is a silly > thing to some, but I'm always completely unnerved by seeing the > background of the desktop or other windows. I like apps that have a > closed "background" behind it. Can this be fixed in GIMP, > permanently, somehow? Or is there a version of GIMP that doesn't > consist of a bunch of boxes all over the screen with gaping holes in > between? FWIW, I'm a long time GIMP user who has just purchased Photoshop. The Mac version of PS also has an "open" interface pretty similar to GIMP. -- Troy Piggins
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Re: The "openness" of the interface, fix?
Date:Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:55:28 +0100
Troy Piggins wrote: > * RodMcKay wrote : >> One of the things I don't like about GIMP, sorry to say, is the >> openness of the interface. Many years ago I used and discarded >> UltimatePaint because of that. I've tried GIMP several times over the >> last 5 years and have tried the recommendations to work around that >> didn't work. >> >> Is there any way to get a solid interface in GIMP? This is a silly >> thing to some, but I'm always completely unnerved by seeing the >> background of the desktop or other windows. I like apps that have a >> closed "background" behind it. Can this be fixed in GIMP, >> permanently, somehow? Or is there a version of GIMP that doesn't >> consist of a bunch of boxes all over the screen with gaping holes in >> between? > > FWIW, I'm a long time GIMP user who has just purchased Photoshop. > The Mac version of PS also has an "open" interface pretty similar > to GIMP. > It's hard to use a "closed" interface on two monitors anyway... -- Bertrand
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Re: The "openness" of the interface, fix?
Date:Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:07:34 +0100
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:14:16 -0500, RodMcKay wrote: > One of the things I don't like about GIMP, sorry to say, is the openness > of the interface. Many years ago I used and discarded UltimatePaint > because of that. I've tried GIMP several times over the last 5 years > and have tried the recommendations to work around that didn't work. > > Is there any way to get a solid interface in GIMP? This is a silly > thing to some, but I'm always completely unnerved by seeing the > background of the desktop or other windows. I like apps that have a > closed "background" behind it. Can this be fixed in GIMP, permanently, > somehow? Or is there a version of GIMP that doesn't consist of a bunch > of boxes all over the screen with gaping holes in between? > > Thanks. :oD You seem to be using windows so there are a couple of things you can do. Several years ago there was a 'deweirdifier' plugin, the reincarnation of this, and description is here: <http://portableapps.com/apps/graphics_pictures/gimp_portable/ background_window> This is not just for portable gimp it can be used on the regular version. The 'installer' unpacks 2 files to the plugins folder, so if it does not work you probably selected the wrong starting point. Easy to move these manually if required. The next 'rationalisation' is to consolidate the 2 'tools' windows into one. I learned the hard way in pre-gimp 2.2 days but a good explanation can be found here. <http://meetthegimp.org/episode-066-setting-up-gimp-26-and-looking-into- the-future/> For comparison these are a couple of screen shots, the top is Gimp 2.6.7 with 'deweirdifier' (have to confess I don't normally use this) and the bottom is Photoshop 7. Guess what, photoshop has several floating docks. http://www.imageno.com/q8dd69w77qowpic.html -- rich
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Re: The "openness" of the interface, fix?
Date:Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:10:21 +0100
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:14:16 -0500, RodMcKay <NoJunkMail@No.com> wrote: >One of the things I don't like about GIMP, sorry to say, is the >openness of the interface. Many years ago I used and discarded >UltimatePaint because of that. I've tried GIMP several times over the >last 5 years and have tried the recommendations to work around that >didn't work. > >Is there any way to get a solid interface in GIMP? This is a silly >thing to some, but I'm always completely unnerved by seeing the >background of the desktop or other windows. I like apps that have a >closed "background" behind it. Can this be fixed in GIMP, >permanently, somehow? Or is there a version of GIMP that doesn't >consist of a bunch of boxes all over the screen with gaping holes in >between? > >Thanks. :oD There may be more than one discussion going on re this, but while going through the plugins registry (http://registry.gimp.org/faceted_search/select/), this thread appeared in section called "Active forum topics": http://registry.gimp.org/node/20639