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Gimp License Agreement Problem
Date:Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:18:00 +0100
Hi There, I am using Gimp 2.6.0 as the underlying program of a product I've developed. Within the product are images owned by me, as well as a concept and formula I created. My problem is with Gimp's license. In using Gimp to fuel my product, it would appear to anyone who reads the license that the entire product - including my intellectual property and images, is free to redistribute without my permission. Even if I knew how, I can't change Gimp's license. I could sure use some ideas as to how I can make their license agreement separate and distinct from mine, or add mine to theirs. Thanks bunches! Laura
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Subject:
Re: Gimp License Agreement Problem
Date:Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:10:56 +0100
On Dec 29, 3:18=A0pm, LauraL <sot...@msn.com> wrote: > Hi There, > > =A0 =A0I am using Gimp 2.6.0 as the underlying program of a product I've > developed. > Within the product are images owned by me, as well as a concept and > formula I created. You don't say what the product is. Is it an image or collection of images. If so they are yours and it doesn't matter what you used to create them. So you think you have a concept and a formula, how do you know that they haven't been conceptualised and realised before? Anyway, have a read of http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=3D200811031= 34949355 ,may or may not be relevant to you > > My problem is with Gimp's license. In using Gimp to fuel my product, You still haven't told us what your product is. Do you intend bundling the program with your product and then trying to claim that is yours. You might have a ton of bricks come down on you if you try that. > it would appear to anyone > who reads the license that the entire product - including my > intellectual property and images, is > free to redistribute without my permission. Again, how do we know it is your IP, remember the old saying, there is nothing much new under the sun. Try patenting it to get it firmly assigned to you. You might want to search the gimp archives to see if you do have something new, or even photoshop archives. > > Even if I knew how, I can't change Gimp's license. I could sure use > some ideas as to how I can > make their license agreement separate and distinct from mine, or add > mine to theirs. So what's the product, something with the gimp program in it? Comply with the gimp licence, make sure you make the source code available to all. Your work is yours and yours alone. No one can take that from you. Your ideas might be old hat. Owen
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Subject:
Re: Gimp License Agreement Problem
Date:Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:59:06 +0100
LauraL <sotka2@msn.com> wrote: >Hi There, > > I am using Gimp 2.6.0 as the underlying program of a product I've >developed. >Within the product are images owned by me, as well as a concept and >formula I created. You don't need to tell us what the concept is or what the formula is, but in order to know what "rights" you have and do not have, you will necessarily have to explain what you mean by "the underlying program". Essentially the question is simple: are you modifying or using code from GIMP, or not. Your modifications to GIMP cannot be kept proprietary if you want to distribute them. >My problem is with Gimp's license. In using Gimp to fuel my product, >it would appear to anyone >who reads the license that the entire product - including my >intellectual property and images, is >free to redistribute without my permission. That isn't necessarily true. If you do not modify GIMP source code, you can redistribute it as is. If you have a distinctly separate program, even though it might invoke GIMP to accomplish some specific task, your program need not be licensed under the GPL. Hence, you could for example write a shell script that invokes GIMP to modify an image in some way. The image and the shell script (or a binary program too) can be copyrighted and licensed in any way you like. But if you modify or use the source code to GIMP, whether it is one line that is modified or only one line out of the entire package that is used (as part of your own program), then all source code that is part of the generated binary *must* be licensed with the GPL if you want to distribute it. Hence if you need to modify the "app/batch.c" file distributed with GIMP, you might rename it to be app/mybatch.c" and modify the Makefile to use your mybatch.c in place of batch.c; but you *must* license mybatch.c under the GPL in order to legally distribute it. Or if you have a program foo, which uses one line of code taken from batch.c, it *must* be licensed under the GPL. On the other hand, if your program is named foo, and contains absolutely nothing from GIMP, but instead invokes an unmodified GIMP in order to in some way edit your own image file, you do not need to use the GPL for you binary, your source code or your image file. (Basically, the GIMP may be required for your program to function correctly, but the user can get GIMP from anywhere, then your program foo is not a derivative.) >Even if I knew how, I can't change Gimp's license. I could sure use >some ideas as to how I can >make their license agreement separate and distinct from mine, or add >mine to theirs. That is *very* easy to do! Don't use their code, and then you will not need to use the GPL. Now, all that aside... I would personally highly recommend that you use the GPL for your own code, regardless of whether you use code from GIMP or not! -- Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
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Subject:
Re: Gimp License Agreement Problem
Date:Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:17:12 +0100
Thanks, guys. A lot to thing about here.
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Subject:
Re: Gimp License Agreement Problem
Date:Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:27:11 +0100
LOL, I must have been "thinging" when I wrote that! A lot to THINK about here.
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Subject:
Gimp License Agreement Problem
Date:Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:18:00 +0100
Hi There, I am using Gimp 2.6.0 as the underlying program of a product I've developed. Within the product are images owned by me, as well as a concept and formula I created. My problem is with Gimp's license. In using Gimp to fuel my product, it would appear to anyone who reads the license that the entire product - including my intellectual property and images, is free to redistribute without my permission. Even if I knew how, I can't change Gimp's license. I could sure use some ideas as to how I can make their license agreement separate and distinct from mine, or add mine to theirs. Thanks bunches! Laura
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Subject:
Re: Gimp License Agreement Problem
Date:Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:10:56 +0100
On Dec 29, 3:18=A0pm, LauraL <sot...@msn.com> wrote: > Hi There, > > =A0 =A0I am using Gimp 2.6.0 as the underlying program of a product I've > developed. > Within the product are images owned by me, as well as a concept and > formula I created. You don't say what the product is. Is it an image or collection of images. If so they are yours and it doesn't matter what you used to create them. So you think you have a concept and a formula, how do you know that they haven't been conceptualised and realised before? Anyway, have a read of http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=3D200811031= 34949355 ,may or may not be relevant to you > > My problem is with Gimp's license. In using Gimp to fuel my product, You still haven't told us what your product is. Do you intend bundling the program with your product and then trying to claim that is yours. You might have a ton of bricks come down on you if you try that. > it would appear to anyone > who reads the license that the entire product - including my > intellectual property and images, is > free to redistribute without my permission. Again, how do we know it is your IP, remember the old saying, there is nothing much new under the sun. Try patenting it to get it firmly assigned to you. You might want to search the gimp archives to see if you do have something new, or even photoshop archives. > > Even if I knew how, I can't change Gimp's license. I could sure use > some ideas as to how I can > make their license agreement separate and distinct from mine, or add > mine to theirs. So what's the product, something with the gimp program in it? Comply with the gimp licence, make sure you make the source code available to all. Your work is yours and yours alone. No one can take that from you. Your ideas might be old hat. Owen
Message-ID:<8763l3piv9.fld@apaflo.com>
Subject:
Re: Gimp License Agreement Problem
Date:Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:59:06 +0100
LauraL <sotka2@msn.com> wrote: >Hi There, > > I am using Gimp 2.6.0 as the underlying program of a product I've >developed. >Within the product are images owned by me, as well as a concept and >formula I created. You don't need to tell us what the concept is or what the formula is, but in order to know what "rights" you have and do not have, you will necessarily have to explain what you mean by "the underlying program". Essentially the question is simple: are you modifying or using code from GIMP, or not. Your modifications to GIMP cannot be kept proprietary if you want to distribute them. >My problem is with Gimp's license. In using Gimp to fuel my product, >it would appear to anyone >who reads the license that the entire product - including my >intellectual property and images, is >free to redistribute without my permission. That isn't necessarily true. If you do not modify GIMP source code, you can redistribute it as is. If you have a distinctly separate program, even though it might invoke GIMP to accomplish some specific task, your program need not be licensed under the GPL. Hence, you could for example write a shell script that invokes GIMP to modify an image in some way. The image and the shell script (or a binary program too) can be copyrighted and licensed in any way you like. But if you modify or use the source code to GIMP, whether it is one line that is modified or only one line out of the entire package that is used (as part of your own program), then all source code that is part of the generated binary *must* be licensed with the GPL if you want to distribute it. Hence if you need to modify the "app/batch.c" file distributed with GIMP, you might rename it to be app/mybatch.c" and modify the Makefile to use your mybatch.c in place of batch.c; but you *must* license mybatch.c under the GPL in order to legally distribute it. Or if you have a program foo, which uses one line of code taken from batch.c, it *must* be licensed under the GPL. On the other hand, if your program is named foo, and contains absolutely nothing from GIMP, but instead invokes an unmodified GIMP in order to in some way edit your own image file, you do not need to use the GPL for you binary, your source code or your image file. (Basically, the GIMP may be required for your program to function correctly, but the user can get GIMP from anywhere, then your program foo is not a derivative.) >Even if I knew how, I can't change Gimp's license. I could sure use >some ideas as to how I can >make their license agreement separate and distinct from mine, or add >mine to theirs. That is *very* easy to do! Don't use their code, and then you will not need to use the GPL. Now, all that aside... I would personally highly recommend that you use the GPL for your own code, regardless of whether you use code from GIMP or not! -- Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
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Subject:
Re: Gimp License Agreement Problem
Date:Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:17:12 +0100
Thanks, guys. A lot to thing about here.
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Subject:
Re: Gimp License Agreement Problem
Date:Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:27:11 +0100
LOL, I must have been "thinging" when I wrote that! A lot to THINK about here.
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Subject:
Gimp License Agreement Problem
Date:Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:18:00 +0100
Hi There, I am using Gimp 2.6.0 as the underlying program of a product I've developed. Within the product are images owned by me, as well as a concept and formula I created. My problem is with Gimp's license. In using Gimp to fuel my product, it would appear to anyone who reads the license that the entire product - including my intellectual property and images, is free to redistribute without my permission. Even if I knew how, I can't change Gimp's license. I could sure use some ideas as to how I can make their license agreement separate and distinct from mine, or add mine to theirs. Thanks bunches! Laura
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Subject:
Re: Gimp License Agreement Problem
Date:Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:10:56 +0100
On Dec 29, 3:18=A0pm, LauraL <sot...@msn.com> wrote: > Hi There, > > =A0 =A0I am using Gimp 2.6.0 as the underlying program of a product I've > developed. > Within the product are images owned by me, as well as a concept and > formula I created. You don't say what the product is. Is it an image or collection of images. If so they are yours and it doesn't matter what you used to create them. So you think you have a concept and a formula, how do you know that they haven't been conceptualised and realised before? Anyway, have a read of http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=3D200811031= 34949355 ,may or may not be relevant to you > > My problem is with Gimp's license. In using Gimp to fuel my product, You still haven't told us what your product is. Do you intend bundling the program with your product and then trying to claim that is yours. You might have a ton of bricks come down on you if you try that. > it would appear to anyone > who reads the license that the entire product - including my > intellectual property and images, is > free to redistribute without my permission. Again, how do we know it is your IP, remember the old saying, there is nothing much new under the sun. Try patenting it to get it firmly assigned to you. You might want to search the gimp archives to see if you do have something new, or even photoshop archives. > > Even if I knew how, I can't change Gimp's license. I could sure use > some ideas as to how I can > make their license agreement separate and distinct from mine, or add > mine to theirs. So what's the product, something with the gimp program in it? Comply with the gimp licence, make sure you make the source code available to all. Your work is yours and yours alone. No one can take that from you. Your ideas might be old hat. Owen
Message-ID:<8763l3piv9.fld@apaflo.com>
Subject:
Re: Gimp License Agreement Problem
Date:Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:59:06 +0100
LauraL <sotka2@msn.com> wrote: >Hi There, > > I am using Gimp 2.6.0 as the underlying program of a product I've >developed. >Within the product are images owned by me, as well as a concept and >formula I created. You don't need to tell us what the concept is or what the formula is, but in order to know what "rights" you have and do not have, you will necessarily have to explain what you mean by "the underlying program". Essentially the question is simple: are you modifying or using code from GIMP, or not. Your modifications to GIMP cannot be kept proprietary if you want to distribute them. >My problem is with Gimp's license. In using Gimp to fuel my product, >it would appear to anyone >who reads the license that the entire product - including my >intellectual property and images, is >free to redistribute without my permission. That isn't necessarily true. If you do not modify GIMP source code, you can redistribute it as is. If you have a distinctly separate program, even though it might invoke GIMP to accomplish some specific task, your program need not be licensed under the GPL. Hence, you could for example write a shell script that invokes GIMP to modify an image in some way. The image and the shell script (or a binary program too) can be copyrighted and licensed in any way you like. But if you modify or use the source code to GIMP, whether it is one line that is modified or only one line out of the entire package that is used (as part of your own program), then all source code that is part of the generated binary *must* be licensed with the GPL if you want to distribute it. Hence if you need to modify the "app/batch.c" file distributed with GIMP, you might rename it to be app/mybatch.c" and modify the Makefile to use your mybatch.c in place of batch.c; but you *must* license mybatch.c under the GPL in order to legally distribute it. Or if you have a program foo, which uses one line of code taken from batch.c, it *must* be licensed under the GPL. On the other hand, if your program is named foo, and contains absolutely nothing from GIMP, but instead invokes an unmodified GIMP in order to in some way edit your own image file, you do not need to use the GPL for you binary, your source code or your image file. (Basically, the GIMP may be required for your program to function correctly, but the user can get GIMP from anywhere, then your program foo is not a derivative.) >Even if I knew how, I can't change Gimp's license. I could sure use >some ideas as to how I can >make their license agreement separate and distinct from mine, or add >mine to theirs. That is *very* easy to do! Don't use their code, and then you will not need to use the GPL. Now, all that aside... I would personally highly recommend that you use the GPL for your own code, regardless of whether you use code from GIMP or not! -- Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
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Subject:
Re: Gimp License Agreement Problem
Date:Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:17:12 +0100
Thanks, guys. A lot to thing about here.
Message-ID:<d1f3cc18-2b46-4197-9ebc-a73253df88d8@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com>
Subject:
Re: Gimp License Agreement Problem
Date:Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:27:11 +0100
LOL, I must have been "thinging" when I wrote that! A lot to THINK about here.